Why I’m Building 700,000 Capacity Cathedral For God:::
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As the continual criticism of
Prophet T. B. Joshua has become worrisome to the Christian community,
especially following the collapse of some part of his Ikotun-Lagos Church, Synagogue
Church of All Nations, in a recent interview with fellow clergy, Apostle
Charles Jacob, the Founder of Believer's Family Assembly cleared the air on the
subject, x-raying likely reasons why he’s being criticized, his proposed
700,000 capacity cathedral and other sundry issues.
Enjoy the excerpt
Our general election just held,
going by your earlier prediction peace has prevailed all over the country, even
though President Jonathan lost the election, how long are we going to enjoy
this seeming peace?
I've said it before that peace is
all we need and it's only God that can grant us that much desired peace.
Whoever that raises his evil thoughts to destabilize this nation will face the
wrath of God, that was my prophecy and I stand by it.
Recently, we see a lot of clergy
men meddling with political affairs; don't you think they are deviating from
their original calling?
I cannot say you are correct
because they may engage in political discuss or activities and still serve
God. Secondly, it's only them (individually)
that knows their calling from God, like me, God specifically warned me never to
meddle with politics, so there's nothing that can take me into politics. But
for some, God may call them and still give them the liberty to engage in
politics, after all Joseph in the Bible was a Prime Minister.
How do we discern a true man of
God Sir?
There is no how you can identify
a true man of God by appearance. God said that those He sent, He confirms their
words. You can never tell which man of
God is sent by God until you see proofs; you will see lives that God used him
to transform. Anointing without proof is
not anointing, not those that are out to exploit people and defraud them of
their monies and possessions. Those that
God sent transform lives from foundation or Holy Spirit will minister to you
that “this one is sent of God'.
That a man of God is into
politics is not enough reason to judge him, which is carnality. For instance,
that Prof Osinbanjo aligned himself with General Buhari as his Vice President
doesn't give anybody the impetus to judge him as being canal. Sometimes too,
Pastors can be carried away by circumstances around them and yet they are still
sent by God.
How can we access an accomplished
man of God?
Bishop Oyedepo to me is an example
of an ideal accomplished man of God. My seeing him in that light is not because
of what he has been able to acquire over the years but by the lives he has
touched through his ministry, of which I am one of such lives.
He has touched and changed lives
for good. He has brought souls to God.
Don't misunderstand me, I've not said that whoever comes to Winners must
go to heaven, no, he has liberated men from the oppressions of the devil. I can call him an accomplished man of God
because he has touched lives, he has saved lives, he has prospered lives,
destinies have changed, and visions accomplished through his ministrations.
Another person is Pastor Chris
Oyakhilome, he has touched lives. Also Rev. Chris Okotie and Prophet T.B
Joshua, both of them have touched lives for good. There are men that have
passion for God and librated of mankind. They have touched lives, they have
changed lives not minding mired of criticisms around them, they are still
focused and determined to change lives.
Talking about T.B Joshua, most
people are of the opinion that his powers are not from God as he has constantly
come under criticism, most often from fellow men of God. As a man of God Sir, have you been able to
analyze him spiritually and if yes, what is your assessment of him?
T.B Joshua is not an evil man,
God spoke to me in 2005 saying “I've given the light that make men commanders
of wealth to you, (referring to himself), making you the fourth person in this
nation. Bishop Oyedepo is first, followed by Pastor Chris Oyakhilome and then
T.B Joshua” and he said “my son you're the fourth person here in Nigeria”, I
heard him clearly. What about me,
tongues have wagged of many unprintable allegations. There is no successful man
of God that they will not accuse of one thing or the other. Whatever we possess
in life is our faith, whatever accomplishment of God in any of His servants'
life is by anointing of the Holy Spirit.
You can't achieve anything
without the anointing of the Holy Spirit. There is manifestation of the
workings of Holy Spirit in the life of Prophet T.B Joshua, that's why they are
brandishing him evil. No evil man can give his money to the needy or care for
the downtrodden.
Devil doesn't help, it destroys
and that is the mission of dark kingdom, to kill and destroy. A man that is
possessed by the devil will not see the widows, the dwarfs, and the destitute
and have compassion on them. Cloth them, accommodate them, and restore their
hopes. It is not possible. Forget what people are saying, we are human beings, let
us look at the anointing that God has given to him and his passion for mankind.
When God called you, he showed
you three accomplished men of God and told you, you're the fourth in that
order. By human assessment, materially, you're an accomplished and very
comfortable man. Now, spiritually, what plans do you have to expand your
ministry to the level of your forerunners?
Laughs, I'm not an accomplished
man yet. Anyway back to your question, in 2014, the Lord told me, “my son the
hour has come to liberate the world from the oppressions of the devil”, and I
said how and He reminded me that it's not by power or might but by His Spirit.
Since the beginning of this month, signs of the manifestations of that mandate
have been evident. He told me that He will give me 1000 hectares of land and
700,000 sitter auditorium (cathedral) and we're working towards it in earnest,
we are not the one that will fulfill it, ours is to pray and put our trust in
Him. Preaching the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to the world and anticipating
the manifestation of His promises in our lives. There is no power, strength or
anointing that can enable you to accomplish the vision of God if His hands are
not there. So we're praying hard and working hard but it's the grace of God
that brings about the manifestation of His promises.
Both the 1000 hectares and
700,000 capacity Cathedral is a vision but the road that leads there is where
we've taken, not minding how long it will take to materialize but as long as
the vision of Bishop Oyedepo came to pass, that of Oyakhilome came to pass,
that of T.B. Joshua came to pass, I'm the fourth person according to Him and
mine will surely come to pass.
What do we expect from your
ministry in a couple of years from now?
Very soon we will be having
evangelism program all over the world because God said that it is time to
liberate the world from the oppressions of the devil. Bible said that there was
a time Elisha was under training, pouring water upon Elijah's hand until his
time came. We've powered water into the hands of Elijah in the past seven
years, our time is now and we are set to launch out. Maybe this year the world
must begin to hear our voice, liberating men and women of our generation from
the oppressions of the devil, bringing out men from darkness to light, teaching
them to serve God in spirit and in truth, serving God with passion and love.
Why are men of God often
criticized?
The reason is that most men of
God don't understand what anointing means. Anointing is the function of the
Holy Spirit in another man's life. If a
man of God is not filled with Holy Spirit, I know, if he forges it, I know
because I have the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Not every man of God has the ability of the
Holy Spirit; remember that it's not every Pastor that is sent by God. Those that are sent by God usually face
persecutions from others. A man that is sent by God preaches undiluted
gospel. When you sit under his
ministration, you will know he is truly sent by God. People may not like his
message but he speaks the mind of God, a message of truth. He will not be
possessed by the oppression of asking people to sow seeds, to bring this or
that tithe. In the book of Exodus, God said “Moses speak to the children of
Israel to give and to sow of their willing heart, they receive rewards from
God. It is not in the place of a pastor to force people to give.
Is a man of God supposed to be
poor?
No. a man of God is not supposed
to be poor, for instance, there is a man of God called Kenneth Copland, as at
1996, he has already dashed out 26 aircrafts that he sowed into people's lives.
God never said that His servants
or His children should be poor. In the book of 3John 1:2, “Beloved, I wish
above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul
prospereth”
Whoever that condemns a man of
God because he is prospering is an agent of darkness. Poverty cannot finish in
the land, a pastor that is sent to change lives and the people do not believe
him to do the will of God, is it the pastor's fault that they chose to remain
in their strangulation and bondage. But people will come from far and wide to
get their healings and breakthroughs from the same man of God while the people
closer to him don't believe him, because the devil does not want them to partake
in the anointing of the man of God, why then should they criticize the man if
he is prospering.
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